BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON SCANDAL:
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Hi Guys, i was browsing the internet and came across this article written by Sound and Silence, about Bishop Carlton Pearson. Check it out and let us know what you think of this article.. Please leave a comment.
Bishop Carlton Pearson. For those who have any interest in the debate concerning beliefs around eternal destiny, aka Heaven and Hell, this man’s journey is significant.
Bishop Carlton Pearson was branded a heretic by the Joint College of African-American Pentecostal Bishops in 2004, for his version of UR, called the “Gospel of Inclusion”. For the sake of his doctrine (read “faith”), in giving up hell, he found that his congregation fell by over 90%, he was forced to give up his church building, and he virtually lost his entire ministry.
Most painfully, he fell out with many friends and loved ones including the great (in pentecostal-charismatic terms) Oral Roberts who saw him as a son. He paid a heavy price to break away from the 1500 year old ideology of Ultimate Fear, and embrace a radical expression of Grace.
The scandal of Bishop Carlton Pearson is qualitatively different to what we have come to expect from the Church. Crucially it has not involved hypocrisy, as in extramarital liaisons, pedophilia, embezzlement, or substance abuse. No, the scandal of Bishop Carlton Pearson is not unlike the scandal of Christ, who took on the religious-political-cultural establishment for the sake of God rule of Love and Justice.
Take a listen to Bishop Carlton Pearson’s Story on: This American Life.
Watch the MSNBC coverage.
Browse to the website for his church, New Dimensions
Bishop Carlton Pearson links on Universal Restoration website Tentmaker.
More… Bishop Carlton Pearson is making some strong statement, what do we think as the Church Body? Please leave a comment and let us know your thoughts on the this matter..
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Boboson,
It’s late, but I will be addressing your questions and comments. Then answer some questions for me. I will get back to you.
Boboson:
I will write a clear-cut and informative e-mail when I have completed my paper that is due on Thursday for my Intro. to World Religions, and studied for my test that will be done on Thursday in my Science and Religion Class – including Quantum Physics – not necessarily a quick study, but a concentration on the principles study. I have three more days to do that.
All the best in your exams, Marian.
Thanks, Boboson.
Today, the professor did give us a run-down, Chapter by Chapter, of what will be on the test.
That was and is very helpful. He also passed out some hand-written diagrams that give alternate – “on the other hand” notes. (Smile).
My paper is on a Jewish Feminist’s viewpoint about the Torah being silent on women during their scripture writings, even though many feminine attributes were used to explain the scriptures. They were written from andro-centric views. The women are demanding to be heard and included at this time.
The seriousness of the matter is, the way that the scriptures were written has continued today and has led into abuse of women world-wide, using the particular scriptures of the religious practice they observe to support that treatment. Just look at Islam -the laws versus how it works out “on the ground,” and fundamentalists and the laws as spelled out in Leviticus/Deuteronomy and how it is addressed – using the Scriptures for authority for male dominance in a lot of today’s religions.
Just Sunday, I spoke with a young woman who converted to Jehovah’s Witness Observance, and she told me that her husband is a house-husband, but he is the head of their household, and she has to allow him to be the head of the household. She is the sole breadwinner.
Some religious movements are still not allowing women to have anything to do during services, and the men run everything.
There are others like that, too.
I will communicate more when I have completed my two immediate tasks before me.
Boboson,
Pardon me for the delay in getting back to you. I do want to address your comments, so I’ll start by defining the word reason, because I want to make the point that reasoning seems to be the point of contention, and the underlying cause of all these debates, and division.
Reason
The mental faculty that is able to generate conclusions from assumption or premise.
I know God gave us the ability to think and reason, or we would be lost in our ability to make rational and sound descisions in our everyday lives. And we can see examples all around us of when it is lacking, and the problems caused by it. But when it comes to our reasoning minds, and our relationship with God, it can present problems. God is calling for us to have faith, and it is a foundational requirement (Heb.11:6) in the Christian religion.
The requirement for having faith, doesn’t negate the need to acquire knowledge. We are admonished to study,(2 Tim.2:15) to get wisdom, knowledge, and understanding.(Prov.2:6) But we are not to view it as our crowning glory, using it to validate our self worth, or garner honor among men as Jesus put it, learning the letter and bypassing the spiritual concepts, or using it as a platform to debate our peeves, and our personal agendas.
And if you analyze all that is being said, you can read examples of all of it in the posts. Jesus had a problem with the Pharisees, and Sadducees, which also seemed to have had a problem with each other, because they couldn’t agree on what was true, and what they believed. The one thing they seemed to have had in common was the love of debating the letter. They loved to out master each other for …pre-iminence. Their focus wasn’t on learning truth, and being pleasing to God, the holy grail was, being was looked upon in high regard, and glorifying themselves.(John 5:44) And they hated anyone who would get in the way of their endeavor to do just that.
It’s ironic, that when Jesus was a boy discussing the law with them in the temple they marveled, and was impressed with his understanding of it. But when he was an adult, and now operating in his ministry, they couldn’t stomach him. They were the scholars of the day, with a twisted sense of religion, and when the real thing was offered, they didn’t want it. They had been used to the religion they devised, which included cancelling out any part of the word of God, that didn’t suit their liking,or self-centered needs. And that goes on now. Jesus said, they choked up on gnats and swallowed camels, and omitted the weightier matters of the law. He meant they gave a lot consideration and validation to things of lesser consequence, and things of utmost importance were dismissed and treated as trivial. I like to study, and gain background information of the Bible, but not to the point, that it raises questions that can’t be answered about God. That’s when faith cuts in. Nor do I have an appreciation for someone’s hypothesis,or analytical view point on what the scripture means on any given topic. Why should I settle for that, when God says He will provide us with adequate leadership, annointed for the job?(Ephes.4:11-16) I don’t want self appointed teachers,who believe that going to seminary, or divinty school can qualify them for the job. The Bible made that point in bringing up the fact, that the disciples were unlearned men, yet they taught the principles of God, and did everything Jesus did.
You asked me how did God allow history to unfold with respect to those eye witnesses to the resurrection to give us reason to believe thier testimony, and you asked why didn’t Jesus just appear to the followers, and ask them to follow him in blind faith, and you asked another question. I’ll get back to you on those. Reserve comment until I have answered all your questions of me. I promise to back to you sooner, than I did this time. But I have to go now. Would you please read I Cor.1:19-31. What does this mean? I’ll get back to you on blind faith. Praise the Lord!
Boboson,
When I talked about blind faith, of course I meant believing and trusting, whether you see proof of what your hoping for, or what you don’t understand at the moment. When Jesus called the disciples into his “school of ministry,”they followed him blindly. They dropped everything including thier livlihood, and life as they knew it, to follow a man of obscurity, who claimed to be the Messiah prophecied of in the old testament. This man didn’t have wealth, or even a home to take them to. That’s blind faith.
Other examples of blind faith are the accounts of Abraham, who left family and familiar surroundings to go to parts unknown…because God said to. And there is Moses, a wanted man, who goes to appear before the pharoah, and makes demands of him, because God said so. Then there is Esther, who appears uninvited before the king, knowing worse could come to worse if God didn’t cover her back, but she trusts that God will. The king David went out to fight Goliath, and later on wars with other nations in blind faith. Job, Shadrach, Meshach,and Abednego, displayed amazing examples of blind faith. As a matter of fact, the Christian faith is founded on it, which started with Abraham. (Romans entire ch.4-read entire Hebrews ch.11)
History was always unfolding after Jesus came. The prophecy of his birth, and specifics of it,(Matt.1:23) were fulfilled. The prophecy of Judas, and the role he would play was fulfilled. And the prophecy of Jesus’ death,(Ps.69:21) and resurrection, which he himself prophecied, were all fulfilled.(Luke 24:6,44) The disciples, indeed were witnesses to the fulfillment of the prophecies. But you know what? That doesn’t seem to be REASON enough for some people, because they deny that the Bible is the word of God. It all comes back to faith. And what the disciples witnessed was only part of a larger plan. And to see the plan through to the end, you have to have faith in the word of God. And as a person expresses faith in the word, God gives deeper revelations of the word. I agree with you the church has glossed over a lot of things, but what specifically are you talking about?
And to address your comment about the youth of today, and what we have to offer them, well, things are looking bad. I work with them, and we talk all the time. They never bring up, or ask me about ancient times, as related to God. They bring up thier everyday living issues, and the stress they are dealing with, and most don’t want to know how God factors into anything. Some who are at the end of thier rope confide in me. And I otherwise bide my time,for an opening to talk to them. But my evaluation is this…somebody’s done a horrible job in introducing our children to God, and someone will have answer for it. But I do pray for them.
Boboson,
What does this scripture mean Romans 8:20,21?
i am shocked to say the least,though i dont pass judgement on the brother his views in my opinion are tototaly crazy.i believe in heaven and hell and the lake of fire.
Well, Hello, Folks!
I had a very successful semester, and school will be opening again for me on January 12. 2010. Thanks to God, my family and I are well, and spent Christmas together in Douglas-ville, Ga., with my daughter and her family – her husband and her three children, and the surprise of all was my husband arranged to have my son in Atlanta to surprise me when we arrived. He had just come out of Monte Carlo where his company danced, and had a black-tie dinner with HRH Princess Caroline and HRH Prince Albert. I think they probably did that because the company is from the U.S. and their mother, Grace Kelly, was from Phila-delphia. It was a good experience for them.
Imagine having a conversation with my son who tells me that he is thankful that I taught him to always know that what he does is a Gift, and is only on loan from God. He had been interviewed by a former Dancer who obviously counts his opinions valuable. He said he was thrilled to know that a retired ballerina sent him a card, and she expressed the same thing about her and his abilities – only on loan – a confirmation of that lesson to him.
Well, I made a B+ in my Introduction to World Religions, and a B on my Religion and Scientific Inquiry. My professor in the Religion and Scientific Inquiry Course had us study 5 different books, and they were all compared and contrasted with each other at the end of the course.
He made it “open book,” but it did not mean anything to have an open book, because if you did not understand the approach each author was taking, you certainly could not have compared what they said with each other’s approach.
I am through with the Dali Lama and his “Emptiness,” which does not mean nothing is there. We had to study Quantum Physics to understand – everything is energy.
Ladies and Boboson, I am working on a highly heretical book, and I don’t think you all would disagree with me at all when you discover its contents. LOLOLOL! At least we can agree on something.
By the way, I had to learn about Mohammed and the five pillars of Islam, and except for the two Jihads:
1. The greater jihad: The Struggle to submit to the Will
of God.
2. The lesser jihad: The obligation to defend God when
He is threatened. – (That leaves a lot of room for
interpretation).
The Five Pillars are:
1. The Shahadah – Statement of Faith: There is only One
God; his name is Al-Lah,and Mohammed is his messenger
2. The Salat – Prayers 5 times a day. (Not to beg for
things, but to praise and gratitude (no intercession)
3. The Zakat – Giving alms to the poor.
2 1/2% of their income is to be given to charity.
The purpose of that is for purification and growth,
rooted in Mohammed.
4. Sawm – Ramadan – 30 days during the month of September
There is fasting, abstension from sex, no eating from
sun-up to sunset.
After hours, only light meals are taken.
5. The Hajj – Every Moslem is obligated, if possible, to
make the Hajj to Mecca.
There is a black box which they report was built by
Abraham; it is called the Ka’ba. There is supposed
to be a meteorite in the Ka’ba, placed there by
Abraham – they say.
They go around the Ka’ba 7 times (7 days). On the
8th day, they leave and go up into the mountains
and re-enact Hagar and Ishmael’s search for water.
They sacrifice a lamb, goat, or whatever and cook it,
eat it, and then they come back down the mountain
and circle the Ka’ba seven more times.
I thought I would allow you all to have a little fun about Mohammed:
There is only one miracle in Islam – The Night of Power and Excellence.
It would appear that Mohammed was exposed to Judaism and Christianity, and he had grown tired of Infanticide of
females. He would go out and seek solitude. While he was
in solitude one night, the Angel Gabriel came to him and he was taken into heaven where he met Al-Lah face-to-face. He was told that he was to write down everything that was told to him (he was illiterate, so how could he write down anything)?
Al-Lah told him to have the people pray 2,000 times a day, but he was able to negotiate the 5 times a day Salat.
Also, as to the Ka’ba, allegedly, the first thing Mohammed did was to empty the Ka’ba of all of the gods and goddess-es when he got back from heaven, and then he dedicated it to Al-Lah. One question that I was wondering – if Abraham built the Ka’ba and placed a meteorite in it, how did the gods and goddesses get back in it for Mohammed to empty them out when he got back from heaven? Abraham lived some
1,800 BCE, and Mohammed lived from 571 CE until around 632 CE – so the time line is a little off. Just my opinion.
This ought to give you all some things to discuss.
I don’t have time to talk all about what I learned about the Bible right now – it is exhaustive time-wise.
I hope all of you had a wonderful 2009 Holiday Season, and that the 2010 Year has already been a blessing in many ways to all of you as it has been to me.
“What you see depends upon where you stand.”
Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza
Feminist Theologian
That is very appropriate for those who practice Islam.
Who is Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza? And what exactly is a FEMINIST THEOLOGIAN, and why the distinction? Just curious to know. My, my. It seems like you had an exceptionally good holiday season, Marian.
Carmen:
Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza is a Harvard Professor, and a Feminist Theologian, as I previously stated.
First, people saw the earth as Mother Earth, and in celebrating death rituals, they would place the bodies in the fetal position, because they saw people as having come from the earth as mother born in a fetal position, so when one died, they would break bones and return the body to the “mother earth” in a fetal position, often in urns at an angle in the earth, representing the womb.
Later, women were seen as the source of all life – from the Paleolithic Age (38,000 BCE) through the Ice Age, and down until 9,000 BCE, when the Neolithic Age came into being. That is when women stopped being hunter-gatherers, established communities, stored their grains/nuts in silos, and bred their animals. Of course, something came about which gave the before then silent men the idea that they were important, too. So, the figurines which depicted women as the source and provider of life, with enlarged breasts and pregnant bellies, and were faceless, began to be combined with male figures in one unit. Then, as the men began to continue to have a rise in consciousness, they began to see themselves as the provider of life, and the phallic symbols began to emerge to symbolize their importance. The Neolithic Age came about from 9,000 BCE until 3,000 BCE, when writing was developed, after which they wrote laws and traditions to control women and “put them in their place.”
The female figurines were discovered by the thousands all across the Pyrenees, Austria, France, Germany, Africa, with each community having a different representation of the female figures which reflected their own images. When Anthorpologists began to excavatge the “house” mounds and found the figurines in specific places in them, they realize it was tantamount to having a crucifix over a mantle. It was really about Goddess Worship – which predates Wicca that we know about today – largely using the symbology of the Catholic Church for it.
When the scriptures were written, the God(dess) who called Abram and made a covenant with him was the God of the Mountains, or God of the Rocks – named El-Shaddai – a female God (the way the Hebrew history puts it, “a God with breasts). El-Shaddai made a covenant with Abram that he was to walk in her way of Kindness, Compassion and Mercy – normally feminine qualities. (All God qualities encased in a female).
Later, the male writers took the Shaddai away and named it Elohim (female), and later the male name of “Yahweh.” The Glory of God was also called Shekinah, which is feminine in nature – which has virtually been eradicated through androcentric (written from a male point of view) writings. Shekinah (Glory) always appeared where a Theophany occurred (theophany means God is present).
Representing the two poles of creation (male and female), are both God. Males represent the thinking, and females represent the feeling (love), but they are all one creation, and must be balanced in order to have a spiritual life. What we have now, I am afraid, are men who have thought up enough stuff that our whole world is out of harmony now; men have not given consideration toward any of the kindness, compassion, nor mercy for others when they have made their decisions – so since it is all drawn from God, everything is out of balance – all based on thinking, and no feeling for others.
When the scriptures were written, unfortunately, the word adamah (which means from the soil), was a feminine word. They cut off the ending of the word and created the myth of Adam and Eve (adam(ah). It might interest you to know that there is another story where Adam was supposed to have a first wife, named Lillith.
Having come out of the roles of females as the giver and sustainer of life, men realized the women would have some issues with them taking over their roles by writing themselves in – even God as a “he.” They depicted her as not wanting to give in to male dominance, so she then was a progenitgor of beasts, dragons, evil things, and would visit babies in the night and kill them, drink the men’s nocturnal emissions, etc….
Those are the same sorts of thoughts which made men be the Mr. Sunshine, and women being the moon – having no light of their own unless the men reflected the light on them, even showing up in fairy tales as the wicked witch after she had become a mature older woman, always keeping the young maiden away from the men.
Feminist Theologians are demanding a more balanced view of the whole spiritual spectrum. A woman named Mary Daly died recently (last week), who taught at Boston College. She refused to teach men in the same classes as women, because she said they had nothing material to contribute since they were males and believe in that way of thinking. (LOLOL).
There is a whole lot of history in Biblical matters, and we need to understand that many of the things people assign to God is just that -imposing their views on God – which makes him be in their own image – not God’s image.
I hope this has inspired you to look into matters on your own.
A belief system which cannot be challenged is a weak belief system.
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Marian, I have yet to pin you down on what you believe. Do you believe what you are learning in those classes? What relevance do those studies have to you as relates to your faith in God? Do you believe in many gods, or one god as we know Him to be: THE SUPREME BEING, THE ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR, THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE MOST HIGH, or THE FATHER OF JESUS? Do you believe any of this? I’m just curious to know Marian Carter’s belief system. You seem to be straddling the fence, or as old people used to phrase it,”caught betwixt,and between.” And I do say that with all politeness in mind. (now give me strait answers to these questions, please.)
Carmen:
I will do this tomorrow, I just saw your e-mail and it is 11:45, and I have an early class tomorrow, so I will respond tomorrow, okay?
I will be watching for your post. Do take your time answering, because I know your time, no doubt, is very tied up in your studies, and other priorites. But that’s expected.
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