BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON SCANDAL:

Hi Guys, i was browsing the internet and came across this article written by Sound and Silence, about Bishop Carlton Pearson. Check it out and let us know what you think of this article.. Please leave a comment.

Bishop Carlton Pearson. For those who have any interest in the debate concerning beliefs around eternal destiny, aka Heaven and Hell, this man’s journey is significant.

Bishop Carlton Pearson was branded a heretic by the Joint College of African-American Pentecostal Bishops in 2004, for his version of UR, called the “Gospel of Inclusion”. For the sake of his doctrine (read “faith”), in giving up hell, he found that his congregation fell by over 90%, he was forced to give up his church building, and he virtually lost his entire ministry.

Most painfully, he fell out with many friends and loved ones including the great (in pentecostal-charismatic terms) Oral Roberts who saw him as a son. He paid a heavy price to break away from the 1500 year old ideology of Ultimate Fear, and embrace a radical expression of Grace.

The scandal of Bishop Carlton Pearson is qualitatively different to what we have come to expect from the Church. Crucially it has not involved hypocrisy, as in extramarital liaisons, pedophilia, embezzlement, or substance abuse. No, the scandal of Bishop Carlton Pearson is not unlike the scandal of Christ, who took on the religious-political-cultural establishment for the sake of God rule of Love and Justice.

Take a listen to Bishop Carlton Pearson’s Story on: This American Life.

Watch the MSNBC coverage.

Browse to the website for his church, New Dimensions

Bishop Carlton Pearson links on Universal Restoration website Tentmaker.

More… Bishop Carlton Pearson is making some strong statement, what do we think as the Church Body? Please leave a comment and let us know your thoughts on the this matter..

Original story by: Sound and Silence

91 Responses to "BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON SCANDAL:"

Carmen says:

November 2, 2009 at 7:22 am

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them: because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Isaiah 44:18-20
18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say,I have burned part of it in the fire: yea also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof: I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20 He feededth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say , Is there not a lie in my right hand?

2 Thess. 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even Him, whose coming is after the workings of Satan with all power signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them and that perish: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Another example of the judgement of delusion is the judgement upon Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, who was made to believe he was a beast grazing in a field. But no matter what I give you from the Bible you come up with all the historic delusionary religions of the world. Yes, I do have faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Christianity and Judaism are not polytheistic religions. I don’t care what Hebrew professor taught you, there are renegades in every group that supposedly espouse to one set of beliefs. Even Jesus said He was going to tell them to be gone, because He never knew them. Of the Pharisees He said they do appear righteous, but were full of dead men’s bones. Imposters and hypocrites will always be present along with the wolves, and heretics. They count on using the silver tongue method. And so far as women, and their role in the Christian community, Paul told husbands to entreat their wives gently, and to love them as they love themselves, and as Christ loved the church. If you read the 31st chapter of Ecclesiastes you would read the woman described there is noted for being a woman of many talents with a wide scope of duties. She could handled herself in any venue, and was very capable. She is the Martha Stewart of the Bible. For her day she was corporate, and domestic. She was not the little woman at home barefoot and pregnant. She was any man’s greatest asset, and not considered a liability. Study your Bible.
You say these scholars know what they are talking about, and you hold what they have to say in high regard,but I still say they got second hand information, written by man, about man, because that’s what history is. The recorded past. I choose to believe the Bible, as is, because I do believe it is the divine word of God. And I believe there is enough there to intruct us, correct us, perfect us, and save us from eternal damnation. I don’t believe you are a believer, you defend these other religions and thier right to express error according to the Bible. And you say it’s because they have been around longer than Judaism, and Christianity, as if that is a defense. That in, and of itself is no defense. When the Bible says these religions are demonically inspired, you still defend them. You express a need to validate them, even though the Bible plainly denounces them. History is history, true eough, and there is something to be learned from all history, but in this case, it is not to be validated as something to give creed to, because it did exist. And it is definitely not to be operating hand in hand with Christianity as Carlton Pearson is doing. Because that wickedness did exist at one point doesn’t make it a viable choice for today, even though people are turning back to it. From all indiction, INDICATION, in all that muck you are learning, and teaching, you are an up and coming HERETIC just like Carlton Pearson. I post no more. You will never agree with the scriptures I’ve given you. But, before it’s all said and done, you will find out that God will be God, first hand. And heresy is a dangerous thing to commit. And I say this with all humility, and good intent. Praise the Lord.
Barbara says:

November 2, 2009 at 7:57 am

I was under the impression that Marian did believe in the bible until that remark, that Carmen might as well be a Wiccan if she believes in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. What goddess do you believe in Marian? Don’t go until you answer this question. Be bold, come out with it. After all that information on goddess religions, and the way you put things the Christian/Judeo God must not be your choice. You seem to not be accepting of Paul’s ministry at all. Just curious.
Barbara says:

November 2, 2009 at 8:06 am

You did say that you were a licensed teacher of the bible didn’t you? Or did I mistake you for someone else? If so you are confusing me.
Barbara says:

November 2, 2009 at 10:52 am

Let us make man in our image…Before earth existed, there was God, Jesus,and the heavenly host. Angels. Satan was also an angel,Lucifer. He is now demoted to chief demon, since his up rising against God. He, and his hordes of demon spirits are these gods, and goddesses still trying to usurp the authority, and glory due God.
Barbara says:

November 3, 2009 at 8:46 am

To all Christians reading this blog,hold on to your faith, and what our Bible teaches us. Seek out only ministers who believe in the anointing of the Holy Spirit to lead them. Receive from the spirit, and above all avoid intellectuals who base all their beliefs on what they can reason out, and what they can prove. Our finite mind can’t begin to prove the infinite. Submit to the Lord for the perfecting of your spirit. God Bless and Keep You!

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who has called us to his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strenghthen, settle you.
Carmen says:

November 3, 2009 at 9:16 am

1 Peter 5:8

Be, sober be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking
whom he may devour;

Watch, as well as pray. There are many false prophets and teachers. Don’t be subverted by the heretics, and read you Bible it’s more than enough to prepare you for eternal life, and for a good quality of life here. Believe that.

Praise the Lord!!!
Marian Carter says:

November 4, 2009 at 12:45 am

Well, Ladies:

I would never serve a God who is so schizo-phrenic as the one you seem to have bought into.
God is Love, and love is not autocratic in its approach with humankind. I might not agree with Carlton Pearson on everything he says, but you all and I have a different God we are discussing. What happened to Free Will where we have a choice? You are requiring me to do things that even God does not, and would never do – believe a man-made document that the Catholic Church supported in order to control the populace. I don’t know why you all don’t go on and notify the Pope that he has several other prospects for membership. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

There were all sorts of Councils to decide the rules in establishing the Christian Church, and Christianity had formerly been all Jews when Paul came into their midst. When Paul was rebuffed, he started to tell the Gentiles that they were a part of the church; even said that Adam and Eve accounted for all people.

When the people did not stick to what he had taught them, he railed at them, especially in Galatia….

This is sad that a man-made document that has been misinterpreted by a few Bible-toting women, who claim they don’t read or need anything but the Bible to make them whole, damn those who seek a scholarship study of the history of the Hebrew People and how writing came about.

Why not offer yourselves up to Harvard, Yale, Colgate University, U.C. Berkeley, N.Y.U., George Washington U., Union Theological Seminary, Princeton to challenge Cornell West, etc… as full-fledged Professors – all you will need is your Bible and some transportation there.

You already know it all!
Marian Carter says:

November 4, 2009 at 3:00 am

Perhaps I will let you all simmer for a bit, as I have another test on Thursday on Confucion-ism, The Dao (The first time time The Way was mentioned that was copied in Christianity after the Day of Pentecost), Taosim, The Creation, Abraham, Sarai, Ishmael, Hagar, Isaac, and the Binding of Isaac, called the Akedah, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, The Story of Job, God and Hasatan(a god from the lower pantheon who decided to test his power against God’s power by trying to break Job), the question of Why does humankind suffer?

The promotion of violence against women in the scriptures through select passages, including Leviticus.

We will be going into more of the Bible later on, and then Islam.

I tell you all this, because maybe you would like to know the historic perspective of things, too. It will clarigy matters for you if you do.

I am a student of the Bible – but not your type of student – you have to understand what is going on before there can be a revelation about the matter; things are not as them seem all of the time.

By the way, maybe you all will buy my books when they are out. I will announce when they are being released. You will really have something to talk about then; I can hear you now – LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
plain truth says:

November 4, 2009 at 8:37 am

My Christian brothers and sisters, remember what the apostle said to young Timothy:

1 Timothy 6:20,21
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
One of Royalty says:

November 4, 2009 at 9:37 am

To the Body of Christ, which is the Royal Priesthood:

1 Peter 2: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
If so ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
To whom coming, as unto a livingstone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,BEHOLD I LAY IN SION A CHIEF CORNERSTONE, ELECT, PRECIOUS; AND HE THAT BELIEVES ON HIM SHALL NOT BE CONFOUNDED.
Unto you that believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, THE STONE WHICH BUILDERS DISALLOWED, THE SAME IS MADE THE HEAD OF THE CORNER,
AND A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
But you are a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

KEEP THE FAITH!

Psalm 24:10
Who is this King of Glory? The Lord of Hosts, he is the King of Glory.

Proverbs 16:6
By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord, men depart from evil.

God be with you my sisters and brothers in Christ!
Bible Advocate says:

November 4, 2009 at 10:09 am

I also am a believer of the Word as written in the Holy Bible. And I do refer to it as the Holy Bible.

Romans 1:16,17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteous of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.
Trinity says:

November 4, 2009 at 10:27 pm

I am a high school student, and will be attending college. I’m deeply concerned with what I’ll be facing. I am an A student, and taking honors classes. I have been raised to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that God is the same God that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, worshipped. While I do believe that a higher education can only enrich my life, and help me pursue the career I’ve chosen, I don’t believe it will be the primary source of my spiritual education, or can be. The mind, and the spirit of man are two different things,even though I know one can affect the other. I was taught and do believe, that one day we will leave this world, and abandon life as we know it. Our spirits will live on,and all of these things that we have learned concerning this world will no longer be needed, because this world will cease to exist. College will prepare me for this life, and my spiritual education will prepare me for my eternal life. The only historical event that will matter will be how I have lived my life. And I have learned that from my spiritual education.
Carmen says:

November 5, 2009 at 2:04 am

Sweetheart, render to Caesar wht belongs to Caesar, and what belongs to God to God. Your professors might require certain things of you, but God is requiring your life. He will be all the back support you need. Trust me. Don’t take classes on religion. They are basically taught by heretics that add their secular twist on history, and expect you to swallow it up whole, no question asked. And if you are called to minister for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will educate you in the things of God. He did it for the twelve apostles. They were noted for being unlearned men by the standard of the world, but did so many things that these people can’t hear it of because Plato, Dana, Socrates,Euripedes,Pithagorus, and all the gangs of brains didn’t participate in the plan. Remember sweetheart, all talk and no power is not what your God is about. Is He a dumb God? He created the brain those scholars so loved to work to shreds, and still not not solve the problems of the world, or even solve thier own problems. This has basically been a Christian country, and we reaped the benefit for it. Now why should want to give consideration to things that didn’t advance the people involved. God gives us history in the Bible for examples of learning that there are consequences for every choice we make. Everything we learn in history is not to emulate, or regard as choices to make, but rather things to avoid. We certainly do not want to drink blood, sacrifice our babies, prostitute at the local church for the benefit of some god requiring it to grow our crops,offer up prayers to inanimate objects, dance naked at midnight in the forrest, bowdown to lesser creatures, flora and fauna, just because they had a head start doing thier abominable deeds in the past. Remember that, sweetheart. And may God bless you!
cherish Johnson says:

November 6, 2009 at 11:18 pm

I have sat here and read only one coversation from you miss. carter. I can’t say I’m saved but i can say that you have managed to scare a sinner into haveing second thought about the life that she is living. Just the thought of what may happen to you in the futer is thrilling. I say if any one is crazy it’s you! GET OFF THE PAINT CHIPS!!!!
cherish Johnson says:

November 7, 2009 at 4:59 am

Well it’s settled. i’m going to try to get to heven. and you beleive in whatever that acid trip tells you to.
Charity says:

November 7, 2009 at 5:34 am

Believe this, one day each of us will experience death, which is the separation of body and spirit. Your inner man or spirit, will need a place after this life. What you do in this body will determine what will happen to you, when you are no longer in this body. Be wise, and don’t take it lightly. Don’t let anyone deceive you with these new found revelations, that are not very new. For all Believers of the Word, don’t abandon your teaching now. There are many religions that don’t believe in hell. This is only Carlton Pearson’s new found personal revelation. And he is rocking the boat so to speak, because he is joining the ranks of gainsayers,scorners, and heretics.
Marian Carter says:

November 8, 2009 at 5:42 am

Charity:

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but may change from one form to another. Life is energy, and the body is only a channel or vehicle through which to express life. Just because you go through the portal of death into the pool of eternal life does not mean that there is an angry God waiting to punish you, nor is there hell-fire awaiting you. Have you seen Dr. Sanjay Gupta’s book called Cheating Death? Those people, I am sure, are not fundamentalists, but they all experienced absolute peace. There has been reports from Buddhists, committed Christians, Nuns and even Yoga practitioners who meditated deeply and they reported that deep sense of peace and serenity.

If you insist that God punishes people for wrong-doing, then no one would escape punishment, because no one is perfect. Read the story of Job and see how he thought he had never done any wrong, but eventually when he realized he knew nothing compared to God’s mind, and when he did that, he was restored. So, don’t be so sure about I am the one who is the odd person out, and I will not have a good end – you don’t have that power to make the call – only God does. Remember Job who thought he was righteous?

Proverbs 23:7 says, “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.”
Charity says:

November 8, 2009 at 7:03 am

No, no one can call the shots for God, true, true,true, true. We don’t know ourselves, not to mention anyone else, and above all God. But I do know this, you are not an advocate of the Bible, nor do you read the Bible, and you have too much doubt and unbelief when it comes to the Bible. You are a gainsayer. There are many passages in the Bible that express the anger of God. And anger that is directed at specific offenses. Job, as the Bible states, was a perfect man. Perfection doesn’t mean without ever tripping up, it means spiritually balanced. This is when you do not operate in excesses of the flesh, nor are lacking in righteous character,on a continual basis.The Bible also states in Proverbs, that a righteous man falls seven times, and seven times he gets up. He does not stay down and wallow in sin. In Ecclesiastes it says there is not a righteous man that lives and does not sin. You put extreme faith in people who are the “scholars” as if their word and understanding of this world is gospel. But you know something? This is the first time on earth for them too. What difference have they made. The last time I noticed the world is getting worse. The prophecies of the Bible are fulfilling themselves. I can say that if nothing else.
Boboson says:

November 8, 2009 at 8:04 am

Trinity, Marian and all of you wonderful people:

Ha ha ha! OK, so the Christians here can’t deal with Marian’s challenges at her level?

Well, all these issues Marian is raising have been answered at academic,philosophical and logical levels. I am surprised she hasn’t come across any, or has she?.
I am not too impressed by the rants BTW.
For example, making the statement “…the Creation through the Big Bang versus the Creation by God…” is a logical fallacious by its construction. BTW, if you check the work of Hawking and Penrose on the big bang, they posit that the theory points to a causative agent (of the big bang) that transcends time and space. That sure sounds like the God of the Bible to me. Check out the Hebrew concept of creation ala Genesis. It is creation “ex nihilo” meaning out of nothing! That is the conclusion of the Big bang theory. So though I won’t bet my life on the theory, if you adduce it in juxstaposition to the Genesis account of creation, you should at least do your homework and add that fundamentally, it supports the Genesis concept of the universe coming into being out of nothing, due to a Causative Agent that transcends space and time! Phew!!!!!!

One other issue I will point out is that there are folk who go about making “copycat” accusations against the Bible and attack doctrines when their level of philosophical missive is laced with crass logical fallacies.

To the young Trinity, if you want to know the foundations of the christian faith and a logically consistent way to SHATTER these philosophical attacks against your faith, check the ff:
veritas.org
tecktonics.org
rzim.org
Finally, Jesus is still the Lord but his followers gotta be ready to deal with the challenges to their faith.
To the challengers, I say…. “BRING IT ON!” Let’s see if you have the philosophical and logical acumen to sustain a credible challenge!
Peace and love you all.
Boboson says:

November 8, 2009 at 8:14 am

Pardon the grammatical error: I meant
“is logically fallacious” not “is a logical fallacious”
Carmen says:

November 8, 2009 at 11:31 am

What level? Her “Let me talk you in circles with my collegiate level divinity school jargon?” Or do you mean the gospels according to the apostles, PLato, Socrates, Dana, Euripedes, Einstein,and whoever else she professes that knows what the truth is? Don’t be impressed with your ability to match wits and knowledge of the worthless, even though in some subtle way you seem to be defending us poor defenseless Christians. Understand this,she speaks of reason and proof,and Christianity is about blind faith. Faith in God and nothing else. We don’t want to be where she is. She claims faith, but then goes on to bring up every name she can drop in the academic world. She’s trying hard to sell us on what those people have to prove, and as you can see we DON’T CARE. She is the one ranting and raving, and thinking we are misguided simpletons that need to be brought up to snuff on the devine revelations of scholarly atheists. Not a chance. But I gather you speak the language. Have at it. Talk turkey with her. She speaks it well. Pun intended.
Carmen says:

November 8, 2009 at 11:34 am

Oh, and to Faithful, my sentiments exactly! Just my point. Bravo!
Boboson says:

November 8, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Carmen:
- Our faith is rooted and grounded in God’s work and God gives us pointers in sundry forms and shapes (Romans 1:20). Why didn’t Jesus just appear and ask his followers to believe Him (on blind faith)?
Why did he have to perform miracles?
Above all, why did he have to show himself to his disciples after his resurrection if his disciples had to accept it in “blind faith” without any evidence?
How did God allow history to unfold with respect to these eye-witnesses to the resurrection to give us reason to believe their testimony? (I know you know this one…)

Conclusion: Christian faith is NOT reason but is rooted in reason.
Please note, that I am not implying that we have to figure out God. Fact is we can’t.

- On the other hand, maybe you mean something else when you use the term “blind faith”.
Otherwise, lets continue and see if the “blind faith” thesis agrees with the witness of scripture.
Check:
1 Corinthians 15:17 (New International Version)

“And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.”

Also, check:
1 John 1:3 (New International Version)

“We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.”

- These do not seem to me to agree with the “blind faith” position.

- I am glad you are not MOVED by the challenges. You see, that comes with a relationship with Jesus. However, don’t forget it’s not because of you but for the sake of young ones in the faith that these charges have to be answered.
For example, young Trinity already seemed worried…
- Let me add that if we don’t do our homework as a body of Christ, the next generation will be stolen by these fallacious arguments folk put up.
It is already happening. The foundations of our faith are being glossed over by the church, so we have a lot of half-baked Christians who will fall on the least philosophical wind that blows against their faith.
Carmen says:

November 9, 2009 at 10:29 am

Boboson,
It’s late, but I will be addressing your questions and comments. Then answer some questions for me. I will get back to you.
Boboson says:

November 10, 2009 at 7:08 am

All the best in your exams, Marian.
Carmen says:

November 17, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Boboson,
When I talked about blind faith, of course I meant believing and trusting, whether you see proof of what your hoping for, or what you don’t understand at the moment. When Jesus called the disciples into his “school of ministry,”they followed him blindly. They dropped everything including thier livlihood, and life as they knew it, to follow a man of obscurity, who claimed to be the Messiah prophecied of in the old testament. This man didn’t have wealth, or even a home to take them to. That’s blind faith.
Other examples of blind faith are the accounts of Abraham, who left family and familiar surroundings to go to parts unknown…because God said to. And there is Moses, a wanted man, who goes to appear before the pharoah, and makes demands of him, because God said so. Then there is Esther, who appears uninvited before the king, knowing worse could come to worse if God didn’t cover her back, but she trusts that God will. The king David went out to fight Goliath, and later on wars with other nations in blind faith. Job, Shadrach, Meshach,and Abednego, displayed amazing examples of blind faith. As a matter of fact, the Christian faith is founded on it, which started with Abraham. (Romans entire ch.4-read entire Hebrews ch.11)
History was always unfolding after Jesus came. The prophecy of his birth, and specifics of it,(Matt.1:23) were fulfilled. The prophecy of Judas, and the role he would play was fulfilled. And the prophecy of Jesus’ death,(Ps.69:21) and resurrection, which he himself prophecied, were all fulfilled.(Luke 24:6,44) The disciples, indeed were witnesses to the fulfillment of the prophecies. But you know what? That doesn’t seem to be REASON enough for some people, because they deny that the Bible is the word of God. It all comes back to faith. And what the disciples witnessed was only part of a larger plan. And to see the plan through to the end, you have to have faith in the word of God. And as a person expresses faith in the word, God gives deeper revelations of the word. I agree with you the church has glossed over a lot of things, but what specifically are you talking about?
And to address your comment about the youth of today, and what we have to offer them, well, things are looking bad. I work with them, and we talk all the time. They never bring up, or ask me about ancient times, as related to God. They bring up thier everyday living issues, and the stress they are dealing with, and most don’t want to know how God factors into anything. Some who are at the end of thier rope confide in me. And I otherwise bide my time,for an opening to talk to them. But my evaluation is this…somebody’s done a horrible job in introducing our children to God, and someone will have answer for it. But I do pray for them.
Carmen says:

November 17, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Boboson,
What does this scripture mean Romans 8:20,21?
Sherita says:

January 3, 2010 at 12:56 am

i am shocked to say the least,though i dont pass judgement on the brother his views in my opinion are tototaly crazy.i believe in heaven and hell and the lake of fire.
carmen says:

January 25, 2010 at 9:23 am

Who is Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza? And what exactly is a FEMINIST THEOLOGIAN, and why the distinction? Just curious to know. My, my. It seems like you had an exceptionally good holiday season, Marian.
Marian Carter says:

January 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm

Carmen:

Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza is a Harvard Professor, and a Feminist Theologian, as I previously stated.

First, people saw the earth as Mother Earth, and in celebrating death rituals, they would place the bodies in the fetal position, because they saw people as having come from the earth as mother born in a fetal position, so when one died, they would break bones and return the body to the “mother earth” in a fetal position, often in urns at an angle in the earth, representing the womb.

Later, women were seen as the source of all life – from the Paleolithic Age (38,000 BCE) through the Ice Age, and down until 9,000 BCE, when the Neolithic Age came into being. That is when women stopped being hunter-gatherers, established communities, stored their grains/nuts in silos, and bred their animals. Of course, something came about which gave the before then silent men the idea that they were important, too. So, the figurines which depicted women as the source and provider of life, with enlarged breasts and pregnant bellies, and were faceless, began to be combined with male figures in one unit. Then, as the men began to continue to have a rise in consciousness, they began to see themselves as the provider of life, and the phallic symbols began to emerge to symbolize their importance. The Neolithic Age came about from 9,000 BCE until 3,000 BCE, when writing was developed, after which they wrote laws and traditions to control women and “put them in their place.”

The female figurines were discovered by the thousands all across the Pyrenees, Austria, France, Germany, Africa, with each community having a different representation of the female figures which reflected their own images. When Anthorpologists began to excavatge the “house” mounds and found the figurines in specific places in them, they realize it was tantamount to having a crucifix over a mantle. It was really about Goddess Worship – which predates Wicca that we know about today – largely using the symbology of the Catholic Church for it.

When the scriptures were written, the God(dess) who called Abram and made a covenant with him was the God of the Mountains, or God of the Rocks – named El-Shaddai – a female God (the way the Hebrew history puts it, “a God with breasts). El-Shaddai made a covenant with Abram that he was to walk in her way of Kindness, Compassion and Mercy – normally feminine qualities. (All God qualities encased in a female).

Later, the male writers took the Shaddai away and named it Elohim (female), and later the male name of “Yahweh.” The Glory of God was also called Shekinah, which is feminine in nature – which has virtually been eradicated through androcentric (written from a male point of view) writings. Shekinah (Glory) always appeared where a Theophany occurred (theophany means God is present).

Representing the two poles of creation (male and female), are both God. Males represent the thinking, and females represent the feeling (love), but they are all one creation, and must be balanced in order to have a spiritual life. What we have now, I am afraid, are men who have thought up enough stuff that our whole world is out of harmony now; men have not given consideration toward any of the kindness, compassion, nor mercy for others when they have made their decisions – so since it is all drawn from God, everything is out of balance – all based on thinking, and no feeling for others.

When the scriptures were written, unfortunately, the word adamah (which means from the soil), was a feminine word. They cut off the ending of the word and created the myth of Adam and Eve (adam(ah). It might interest you to know that there is another story where Adam was supposed to have a first wife, named Lillith.

Having come out of the roles of females as the giver and sustainer of life, men realized the women would have some issues with them taking over their roles by writing themselves in – even God as a “he.” They depicted her as not wanting to give in to male dominance, so she then was a progenitgor of beasts, dragons, evil things, and would visit babies in the night and kill them, drink the men’s nocturnal emissions, etc….

Those are the same sorts of thoughts which made men be the Mr. Sunshine, and women being the moon – having no light of their own unless the men reflected the light on them, even showing up in fairy tales as the wicked witch after she had become a mature older woman, always keeping the young maiden away from the men.

Feminist Theologians are demanding a more balanced view of the whole spiritual spectrum. A woman named Mary Daly died recently (last week), who taught at Boston College. She refused to teach men in the same classes as women, because she said they had nothing material to contribute since they were males and believe in that way of thinking. (LOLOL).

There is a whole lot of history in Biblical matters, and we need to understand that many of the things people assign to God is just that -imposing their views on God – which makes him be in their own image – not God’s image.

I hope this has inspired you to look into matters on your own.

A belief system which cannot be challenged is a weak belief system.
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carmen says:

February 1, 2010 at 9:03 am

Marian, I have yet to pin you down on what you believe. Do you believe what you are learning in those classes? What relevance do those studies have to you as relates to your faith in God? Do you believe in many gods, or one god as we know Him to be: THE SUPREME BEING, THE ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR, THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE MOST HIGH, or THE FATHER OF JESUS? Do you believe any of this? I’m just curious to know Marian Carter’s belief system. You seem to be straddling the fence, or as old people used to phrase it,”caught betwixt,and between.” And I do say that with all politeness in mind. (now give me strait answers to these questions, please.)
Marian Carter says:

February 2, 2010 at 4:43 am

Carmen:

I will do this tomorrow, I just saw your e-mail and it is 11:45, and I have an early class tomorrow, so I will respond tomorrow, okay?
carmen says:

February 4, 2010 at 1:38 pm

I will be watching for your post. Do take your time answering, because I know your time, no doubt, is very tied up in your studies, and other priorites. But that’s expected.
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